Angela Wetzel – True Unity

Episode Transcript

Angela A:
Hello and welcome to The Deepening Place. Today my guest is Angela Wetzel. Hi, Angela.

Angela W:
Hi, Angela. Nice name.

Angela A:
Yeah, we can’t forget each other’s names. So I met you through, I think a mutual friend or follower John Eli on Instagram.

Angela W:
Oh yeah. John, I love John. He’s a great coaching friend of mine.

Angela A:
Yeah. So I think nearly everyone I’ve interviewed these days I’ve met online and I think 2020 has been very helpful with that because it kind of forced me to reach out to more people online, you know, because there weren’t so many people in my, my life, so it’s been really fun to get to know people and you posted something the other day that made me so happy. And so I just reached out to you to see if maybe we could have a conversation about it.

Angela W:
Yeah. I’d, I’d absolutely love to talk about it. My Goal is just kind of like to continually offer like an olive branch, like across the political lines so that we can just do a lot more healing and stop allowing the political division to, to cause such like rift in our country and in our consciousness, I’m going to try to be as honest as I possibly can from my own body of work and what I’ve been studying. And the goal is really just to help people to tap into their own truth, because I feel like that’s where we need to go

Angela A:
Before we get too far into this. Can you tell people a little bit about what you do?

Angela W:
So I am a life and life coach and I specialize in pretty much like codependency and love addiction with emphasis on trauma informed work and attachment styles. That being said, I’m also a writer and the kind of things that I study are both, um, spiritual and psychological and biological in nature. So what I try to do, or I guess sort of what’s ended up happening is I have been studying a lot of spiritual texts and even history and psychological work. And I’ve found correlations between almost everything. I found that as humans, we’re bound by universal laws and there aren’t really exceptions to that. So I coach from, I pretty much try to coach people from where they’re at, if they are not at a place where they want to talk about things spiritually or energetically, then I can talk about the psychology of it. So I’ve sort of become versed in both. Um, and my background actually, um, I’ve been an actor kind of creative child writing books and poetry from a young age, um, singing like dancing straight up goofball kind of just like totally irreverent. Um, and then I joined the military and a Korean linguist. So I was a Sergeant in the U S army and voice interceptor. So top secret clearance and a whole perspective that came through that and working for the government and with the office of Naval intelligence. And then I left all that. It was the same time my marriage was kind of crumbling and pretty much like what I thought was the life I wanted. It was not the life I wanted. And I went back into acting and long story short. Essentially. I had a, a retina in my left retina spontaneously, partially detached. So I nearly went blind in my left eye. And that was right as I was graduating from NYU there, um, acting program. And it sent me down an entirely different path of learning and discovering kind of a fishbowl, I guess, that I was living in perspective my life and a victim perspective that I had been raised with that I didn’t even identify or realize that I had, which began my work into love addiction and codependence.

Angela A:
One of my favorite things to do is talk to people who are freethinkers. And it sounds like the events of your life have led you to a place where you will dig around for your own information and form your own opinions. Yes. One thing that you just said that stood out to me was the thing about there are universal laws that everyone is kind of subject to one that, and I don’t know what law, this would be. One thing that I’ve thought since five years ago when this kind of started happening is we can’t hate, and I don’t know what law that would fall under, but the thing that has just gone over in my spirit, I guess, for the last five years is hate, hate, yields bad fruit, I guess we’ll just go over your list. We kind of started the second item on your list is hating others. Did you have any thing to say about that?

Angela W:
What you kind of talked about, I think is like the, the law of relativity, it’s like nothing and no one is inherently good or bad. So it’s like when we sort of pigeon hole people and only look at certain aspects of them, it’s like, we also, we deny what is good in them. And we also deny what’s good with us. So one of the first things that I actually wanted to talk about was perception, perception, rules, really rules are like our perception is based on beliefs that we have either inherited. It’s our perceptions based on trauma. It’s based on our emotional state, it’s based on our physiological state. So how we’re feeling in the world on a given day is going to color our perspective and what our own triggers and our own wounds and our own fears are going to color that perspective as well. And given that when we realize that perspective is so powerful, based on how we perceive our world is going to dictate how we in our world and given that it is so powerful when we don’t have an awareness around our perception or what our, what we’re perceiving, it makes us highly vulnerable to being controlled by others. That would then control our perspective. And it makes me think of the, um, the Socrates like cave analogy, where there’s people sitting in the cave and they’re sort of watching a puppet show. Well, now we would liken that to watching TV and just absorbing everything that we’re being told blindly, just listening to it. And a lot of people are comfortable here because they’re not questioning that. And then there’s another group of people that will then go further into doing the research. And there’ll be like, well, I didn’t see this on mainstream media. And it seemed to have come from a reliable source. And so they’re also letting that into their mental and spiritual boundaries without actually tasting the energy or being like, is this actually true? What is the truth here? And so it’s like another level of believing that you’re still beyond the puppet show when you’re still in it. And then there’s like starting to, and like, I actually think this is happening a lot where people are realizing that we’re actually being fed a lot of crap from people that have their own agendas. And what’s happening is a lot of people. I mean, this is a sense that I get, you know, I would have identified myself as being really liberal and that’s how I like voted in the past. But this two party system is not working and it’s truly a two party oligarchy. Like we’re supposed to be a Republic. It’s not really the case. And I think people are waking up from this disillusion state of that naivete of thinking that just because we vote for someone that they’re going to vote, as we wish they would vote. So it doesn’t mean that they’re actually on our side or looking out for our best interests when it comes to like the influence of power or money or how it’s going to help their family as opposed to their constituents.

Angela A:
Yeah. When you’re talking about perception and beliefs and know this has happened to me so many times over the years when I’m hearing someone talk like that and I’m going, yes, that’s exactly right. And then I realize they’re only applying this observation to the other side. Yes. And I just, I just wanted to say that for any listeners, if you happen to be on the right and you heard that you’re nodding your head going, yes, everyone on the left is like that. And if you’re on the left, listening to it, you’re nodding your head saying, yes, everyone on the right is like that. So what do you do about that?

Angela W:
Well, here’s the thing we need to kind of skip over this arrogance that we actually know what the is going on because people are scared and they don’t know what’s going on. But I, as though everyone sort of has this sense that, uh, to quote Shakespeare, like something’s rotten in Denmark, like the U S like something is going on, that doesn’t feel right. And I believe that people are feeling that intuitively, but they’re looking for concrete evidence to prove that what they’re feeling is accurate. And so there, there there’s so many people that are disillusioned by the media and they’re going, something’s not right, because I’m hearing so many conflicting stories. And also what I find fascinating fascinating is that there always seems to be two sides to every story when it comes to anything that has to do with money and power. So it’s like, vaccines are great, Vaccines are awful. Vaccines are killing our children. Vaccines are saving our children. Gas, you know, gas is polluting our planet. Lithium ion batteries are the answer. No, the ion batteries are the devil. They’re destroying our rainforest, uh, environmental isms, global warming, or we’re actually polluting our planet. Oh, that’s, that’s fake news. Um, there is, there’s nothing wrong, continue business as usual that that’s just people fear-mongering about the environment. So it’s like, what is it? Is it that there’s actually maybe truth in all of it? And that what we’re seeing is people that are in power or afraid of losing their power or afraid of losing the way that they make money. And they don’t really want to change. Are they guiding our perspective in a way that keeps them safe as opposed to doing what’s right. For the whole.

Angela A:
In some of the earlier episodes of the deepening place. I talked about the extremes of belief and how in times of fear or uncertainty, people cling to their beliefs. And I really seen that a lot here. Like we have to pick a side, I have to be on the left, or I have to be on the right. And then what happens is you kind of enter this space of it. Would it be cognitive dissonance when you have to try to make things make sense based on your beliefs?

Angela W:
It’s almost like confirmation bias. So, I mean, think about it. If we were to zoom out and actually think about the precarious nature, or like even how life is happening. Like, I think it’s important to do that right now. We are literally on solid ground on a planet that’s a sphere that is literally suspended in space. We don’t often stop and think about it. And I think it’s important to be like, like that’s kind of crazy. There are so many processes that are happening and happening unconsciously, like we’re at any given time, like 96% unconscious. And we’re very much both like human animal and human spirit. And what we’re trying to navigate is like a balance between those two things. But that being said, like, going back, like people, our egos are always, we’re always looking for safety and what is certain. And so in such an uncertain world, when you think about it, it’s like we, we really to hold onto something and oftentimes it’s our belief of what is right and what feels good to attach to. Um, and the unknown is like not a cool, safe place for the ego or the subconscious, like the subconscious does not like that because it’s not predictable. And so when times become even more uncertain, we tend to like, you know, it’s so human, right? All of us want to hold on to clamp down on what we have thought is certain, I identified this way, and this feels right. So I’m going to continue doing that because it feels safe and all my friends are doing it and everyone I know, and it’s how I’ve always voted. And it’s also confirmation bias. It’s what I surround myself with. Also, when I listen to opposing opinions, like that’s painful to my brain, because depending on what we’re listening to, it might actually be an extremist or more extreme version of opposition that doesn’t take the other side into account and so it doesn’t feel like truth either necessarily because when we are viewed through a distrustful lens or a lens that we’re stupid or ignorant, or we’re not woke, it’s like really hard to try to listen to what other people are saying, because what happens is when we’re viewed as like the enemy or someone is against us, we naturally will go into a defensive, protective posture, which means like, no, I’m not going to let in any of that, that’s, that’s bad, that’s wrong. And also it’s painful for people to speak about me this way or my beliefs, or it’s, it’s polarizing instead of inviting conversation. And what we need to do is like, come back more to the middle.

Angela A:
You don’t need to be in the center politically, but meet me in the middle for a love revolution. And it’s almost like when you are working with couples, I mean, you have to come to a point where you’re both sitting at the table with the mediator and you’re talking and maybe learning to understand each other’s perspective rather than arguing.

Angela W:
We, we cannot, um, have constructive conversation when we’re triggered and pointing fingers at the other as if they’re the enemy. And even though that pain, we feel within us, it’s easy for the ego to project outwards and be like, you are the source of my pain.

Angela A:
And nobody’s really naming the elephant in the room, which is Donald Trump was a really hated person. Yeah. The left hates Donald Trump. And it started that way. And now it’s sort of evolved to anyone who supported him was hated. Anyone who voted for him was hated. And now it’s, even if you don’t hate him, you’re hated. You have to hate him. I’m really concerned if they hired us to come in and help with this unity thing in your first board meeting, if say Joe Biden is really sincere about his call for unity and wanting to be everyone’s president, like what are a few things you would put on his agenda list?

Angela W:
That’s such a huge question, but it’s a great question. I mean, here’s the thing based on the fact that we are mostly unconscious human beings with brief blips of consciousness where our prefrontal cortex is coming online and we’re actually at choice. If we are to villainize people, it’s difficult to come back from that and to also have compassion for ourselves. So I would say it’s important if we’re going to unify this country is not to villainize Donald Trump for the person that he was because, or is because he’s a human with his own background and experience and trauma and way of thinking and beliefs in the world, whether or not they’ve served the world or not, or the country, you know, and that’s arguable depending on who you talk to, but there’s, there’s a whole picture of a human being, Donald Trump isn’t purely evil. Otherwise he wouldn’t have made it this far in life and he’s not purely good either and so if we only frame one aspect of a person, let’s say on the left, we just say, Donald, Trump’s a, you know? And on the right, if we just say he is our savior, and he’s like the only thing standing between us and new world order, then we’re actually kind of missing, I think a lot of other truths that are there as well. I would just say, let’s not villainize people for voting for him or liking him because, you know, I have my own like ego and my own knee jerk response to him as a human being and the things that I have seen, but it’s through my own lens and perspective and confirmation bias as well. So I’m willing to go outside of that and say that it’s important to not only see him as a whole human being for everything, for every good he’s done and bad, but also to see ourselves the same way. And so the question isn’t like, who did what, and the people that voted for him, like up, and this was all wrong and to kind of dwell on it. It’s kind of like, where are we now? And what choices do we have now? So let’s really focus on the present moment. What, what’s good, let’s keep doing it, what isn’t working so well, let’s try to adjust that and do better. And so I definitely believe that this is beyond identifying with political parties. Now, I think a lot of people are feeling like division. Isn’t going to do this country any good. And we’ve seen, like, we’ve seen so much division that’s happened over the past four years. Was it necessarily all bad? No, I believe it brought up so much of like the shadow, you know, like the, the parts of our country and ourselves that we don’t really like. And, and it’s showing us like where we are as a country, if we view our country, like as an organism or as a whole entity where like, kind of seeing what’s healed and what’s unhealed. So I think it’s important that I think that every, um, thing that happens or every leader that we have is at least like tapping into, I don’t know the word, like maybe the Zeitgeist. So like the pulse, like, there’s definitely a reason why Donald Trump was elected and why people resonated with him. And to just say that people are crazy or they’re not awake, or they don’t know any better is, is really not necessarily fair because I think you and I both know that people on both sides of the table are identifying themselves as freethinkers, that one shaman guy said,

Angela A:
You’re talking about the guy that was in the Capitol with the

Angela W:
Yeah, yeah. With the horns and the war paint. And it’s my quiet. What I like to do is become more curious and say, what, what is his perspective or what has caused him to believe what he is believed so passionately that he showed up at the Capitol to fight for his country. I want to look at that and I want to look at people on both sides. Is it possible that we awaken in patches and that we see certain truths and that we’re opposed to other truths and that there’s really a bigger picture going on.

Angela A:
I, I completely agree with that. And I think that’s one reason why it’s so important to test our ideas and our theories in real time. Otherwise we don’t know if something we’re thinking is crazy or maybe I went down a rabbit hole that really has no truth to it, and I can bounce that off of people. And that is one of the reasons why the censorship thing is such a, a shocker to me. And I think it’s a really dangerous thing that we’re doing.

Angela W:
I do. I do agree with that. And I, I do see both sides on that as well. Like I see the fear that, um, people will use platforms to amp up hate and to organize like these hateful things. And yet it’s kind of like if people are going to do that, they’re going to find a way, and maybe the idea is not to make it convenient. But I do think it’s important that we don’t allow our fear to, to dictate what other people are free to do,

Angela A:
Framing it this way. You know, as mental health professionals we’ve heard about read about, and this, these are common concepts to most people are the scapegoat and the black sheep, the shadow, and from a spiritual perspective have spent five years hearing about white supremacists. And what I’m concerned with is we keep pushing conservatives further and further into the shadows where it’s quite possible that some form of radicalism exist. And then we’re going to like have this self fulfilling prophecy. They’re going to come bursting out of the dark shadows. That’s another problem I have with, with the censorship. I mean, at least let people get their ideas out, then be checked, let them learn from others who say that’s ridiculous, but to push people back into the shadow, what exists back there in the dark? And that’s the only place they’re free to speak. Yeah.

Angela W:
And it, I mean, and, and you know, this as well as I do that, we can’t really heal anything that hasn’t come to the surface for healing. So if we’re repressing or suppressing something because of our own fear of it, or because of our own disgust or judgment of it, there’s absolutely no way that we can let the light get in there and let any kind of truth get in there so that it can alchemize into something else, which is like a more mature perspective, perhaps.

Angela A:
Yeah. And that more mature perspective. It doesn’t come from someone being parental. And I think both sides are kind of guilty of this. I come at it like, I know better. I know more than you, and I’m going to explain it to you. And if we could kind of drop down into that neutral adult to adult and exchange ideas and use more I-statements then they said, you know, just coming to the table and having conversations in our communities.

Angela W:
I so wholeheartedly agree with you, you know, listening more and like putting the tape over our mouths and, and listening. And if we have reactions kind of dealing with those are our own biases within ourselves and calming ourselves so that we can also speak in like non-violent terms and what I’ve seen happen with the news. And like, what you were talking about is like this white supremacy. I believe that it does exist in pockets. Sure. But is it as rampant as we’re being told? I haven’t seen it. It’s not really my reality. I’m also not a black person, so I can’t speak to their experience, but it’s like, what I think that we’re being shown has been using our own division against us in areas that are like our hottest, most triggered topics. So, and then they show that and they, they show like the extremism and then the media has, is also like kind of sensational and they’re like, this is what sells and ratings. And, um, how do we get people to watch? And it’s kind of feeding this addiction into drama. It’s, it’s almost like the real Housewives instead, but it’s like the real United States of America. So we’re kind of seeing like the scripted chaos where certain bits of inflammatory clashes are being highlighted. And then we’re like, Holy, like this, this, you know, Antifa and like white supremacists. And it’s like, Oh, and now they’re infiltrating this. And this happened because of the other side doing it. Both sides have exactly same narrative.

Angela A:
Yeah. For the record. I mean, mainstream media, I can’t even use journalism in the same sentence. It’s a dumpster fire of propaganda. It kind of goes back to that confirmation bias where if you’re on the right, you’re probably checking out Fox news to get your updates. If you’re on the left, you might be checking out CNN or MSNBC, and they’re telling you what you want to hear based on what you already believe. I would just encourage everybody to try to wean themselves off and have more conversations with real people or listen to podcasts of people, having conversations with real people and getting different perspectives and getting more in touch with your spirit, your spirituality go deeper than deepening place, because when we’re just in our minds all the time, we’re just in this constant state of fear and it’s so unhealthy. Yeah.

Angela W:
And it like now more than ever, we’re at a very fascinating time in human history where we actually can really no longer depend on our five senses to, to validate whether something is real or not. Because we have artificial intelligence. We have, uh, you know, people have the capability to actually create videos of people using like snippets of their voice patterns and signature and on all different kinds of things and make something look like something it’s not. Um, so where we are, there’s, there’s such a capability for misleading and creating false propaganda. And, um, it’s something that they’ve used in North Korea with great success. You know, they’ve, they’ve told everyone that Kim Jong-il, he created the hamburger and cinema.

Angela A:
Oh, he did.

Angela W:
And that’s where it came from. Right. And that’s what we believe. And so it’s, it’s almost like in America, people like it to use the cave analogy, or even like the cardboard box analogy, like we’re kind of in these cardboard boxes and hanging out with other people that believe what we believe. And then we’ve got a little hole cutout in it. And that’s where the media is like, Hey, look here, look here. And we’re only seeing one tiny little aspect of actually what’s going on. And really the truth is so much bigger. I feel another elephant in the room is these conspiracy theories. Cause I do think that we need to talk about it because it’s not really going away in my own network of coaches and healers. I started to notice there was also a divide people that had gotten really deep into like the deep state and Q and, and stuff like that.

Angela W:
And I totally, I totally get going down the rabbit hole on that one because it’s almost like people have an intuitive sense on some level. People know that they’re being misled by the larger media. They just, they’re just like, something’s wrong. And so they’re going to other places to look, but having my own military background and knowing that there are people that actually study the human condition like even, um, you know, at an advertising, the military has a branch called PSYOPs psychological operations. And they’re meant to get into your mind and know how the human being works. So they know how to manipulate and manipulate perspective. What I find interesting about conspiracy theories in a way I want to almost give credit to their genius because, um, of their persuasive power to lead people on with certain details like confirmation, like if you see the national guard training at this time, it’s confirmation that this is about to go down when the truth is, is that the national guard always drills on this day and they always do this, but it’s like they’re being led to believe that they have certain information that no one else has. Um, now is there truth to the conspiracy theory theories? I’m sure there probably is to some degree, but I, my personal feeling is that it’s just a misdirection on a whole nother level where, um, we need to start relying on our own intuition and our own sense of truth. So if something is sparking huge fear, like, like how do you feel if you read a conspiracy theory, what does it actually do? Well, it makes us feel powerless. Okay. And then what happens when we feel powerless? Well It triggers our sympathetic nervous system into creating stress hormones, then it, it diverts the blood flow from different parts of our brain. So where we’re really into our limbic system and our animal, like simply instinctual animal part, um, and where we’ve kind of gone into this, an unconscious mode where it’s kind of kill or be killed. And we’re not really using our cognitive function to be able to, um, interact with life. And we’re really not at our best. And so it actually, the way I see it, it causes more problems than it’s actually solving anything, but who knows, like there are probably different groups or sex of people that their goal is chaos or is further division or it, or, or even the person that they’re supporting, they have their own agenda. So perhaps what we’ve been seeing in Washington has actually been a collision or a grasp for power from opposing forces. I just don’t believe that it’s simply one group of people. I do believe that people that are in power that want to remain in power, number one, probably aren’t showing their faces. And number two, aren’t going to get their hands dirty. And number three would never rely on the, the fickle, um, I guess political system where their balance of power would depend on whether it was one political party winning or the other. I just think it’s beyond that when we get into conspiracy theories and thinking, and, and villainizing the other party and saying it’s only them and they’re corrupt and the other side saying no it’s them, it’s their corrupt were being divided. We’re being misdirected. And also it’s engendering, a lot of fear and panic, which causes all to feel powerless. And then we’re truly of no use to anyone or ourselves.

Angela A:
I think you bring up a good point too, about that inner child. When you do feel powerless, the idea of someone having a plan and coming to the rescue is just so delicious. And then it’s not just that your guy lost. If you’re looking at people on the right for so many of them, they believe that there was something bigger going on and that not only the right was going to be saved, but the left, they look at the left, as just being blind and the whole world was going to be saved. And so if you can have compassion on that for a minute, I mean, these people are really, really hurting right now because the other guy got inaugurated

Angela W:
Well, and, and they’re scared. And, and like, I, you know, and I, I do have a lot of compassion because what I’ve seen is like pretty much everyone that I know. And I, I do, I believe in the goodness of people, I believe in the goodness of Americans. And I believe that everyone truly does what what’s best for our country outside of like, you know, the anarchists or the people that, you know, have deeper traumas and just want to watch the world burn because they hurt so much. I believe that everyone on the right, that, you know, truly believed that Donald Trump was going to save us from a new world order or to save us from this other agenda, this darker agenda. I totally can understand, um, all of those mixed emotions about it, and even why they would believe it when we know that something’s going on and we can’t put our finger on it, we’re going to search for answers. And I think it’s natural for us to grab onto things. And, and I can’t like, I can’t even sit here and say that, like, none of that was true because I just don’t know. But what I think is more important, like what you said earlier is that we really need to start tapping into our own intuition and unhooking from the triggers and the drama and the seductive pole of villainizing each other. And just getting into that charge state, because we, we really need to be in our powerful state. We need to use our own internal guidance system to really like look at what’s true and what’s not. And, and I know it sounds kind of challenging because so many of us are not necessarily in touch with our own emotions or how to unhook from triggers and all of those things. But it’s important to use our intelligence, our discernment, our, our logic, as well as our emotions and our intuition to kind of suss out what’s happening instead of just digesting things that we see or learn about externally. Like, we really need to fact check it within ourselves and our own experience.

Angela A:
Yeah. And they did a video yesterday about how this all seems like a really horrible divorce and how it’s kind of like the dad had been demonized all this time. And, you know, with the inauguration is like kind of the custody battle. The mom finally won the dad’s gone. And all the kids that were kind of aligned with the dad, it’s like, there’s no healing. And to me, it’s like, you have to call off the dogs. You have to, if you’re a leader, if you’re a Joe Biden who keeps saying, I want unity, I believe you have to lead the way and you still have to stop demonizing the followers it’s over. He lost. And also apply the same standard to the same types of things. So if, if you’re on the right and you see Antifa destroying the democratic headquarters and Starbucks and all of that every night, and nobody says a word about that, but they keep harping on the hundred to a thousand people that got in the Capitol out of, up to a couple of hundred thousand people that were there. It feels like the world is against you. And, you know, I mean, in heard some mainstream media people saying, how are we going to reprogram, even as far as I think we need to think about taking children away from some of these. I mean, it’s terrifying some of that rhetoric, if, if we could have some leadership in that way, that’s the way we’re going to build bridges. I believe

Angela W:
That metaphor is like, actually feels really accurate because I mean, it’s actually something I’m very familiar with in my own history. And that’s actually the reason why I’m so very much like, well, let’s look at all perspectives. And let’s also look at the fact that no one is truly fully good or fully bad. Let’s kind of look more at the deeper truth. And the most unfortunate thing I think so far is that the truth has been weaponized to a point where now it’s people are questioning everything, which isn’t necessarily bad, but it’s also really chaotic. Like people don’t know where to turn run, and it’s who do we trust? And the answer is you need to learn to trust yourself and you know, this as well as I do, like the process of healing can be really confusing because what’s been happening in our country is also like kind of a larger like macrocosm, if you will, of what happens internally during the healing process. So the psycho psychologically, we have, it’s really about our relationship to truth, right? And so psychologically when there’s been wounding and trauma, we have all these psychological processes that keep the truth of the subconscious from the conscious mind, because the subconscious is like, you can’t handle the truth. And so we have repression, suppression, minimization denial, all of the ways that the human animal will compartmentalize things to keep the truth hidden from itself for protection. It actually like the same thing that that’s been happening in the media or in the government. And it’s just like our relationship to truth needs to change in a way that we invite invite in some humility. What we’re trying to do, I believe as a country and as individual organisms is to build a bridge between our subconscious mind and our conscious mind so that we can open dialogue and really learn like what the truth is.

Angela A:
I think that’s, that’s really important. And to compare it to like the internal healing process, you know, we want to go so far out. We want somebody, someone way out there to fix it for us. When really we just need to zoom in and get that balance within our own heart and fix the relationships around you. I can’t tell you how many clients I had that said they felt like they had to cut off ties with their friends or family because their political beliefs were different. And what I would always encourage them is whatever it takes, even if your common ground is the size of a dinner plate, keep that and preserve it as a treasure. If we can get back to the point where we trust each other more than we trust the mainstream media who has an agenda or more than these politicians, whose power increases as we are divided, we have to get back to that.

Angela W:
Totally, totally agree with that. And it is easy to want to cut ourselves off from relationships, but it is important to really learn, to put the emotions aside and getting to like the heart of the matter. Like, what are their fears? What are their hopes? And instead of just like calling names and saying the other, the other side is depraved, or the other side is unconscious, and it’s true for both sides in certain aspects. So we can’t have progress when everyone else is an adversary. We have to view each other as, as friends and compatriots. I almost feel like that sounds like super communist.

Angela A:
It goes back to our founding fathers and what they elevated was we, the people have the power. So if we’re divided, we don’t have it. I think it’s really up to us to start to mend and form some relationships. And honestly, I feel like there are 20 more directions that we could go in, but I’m going to post your post so that anyone who’s interested in seeing the posts that spurred this whole conversation, I’m going to put it on my deepening place site. Yeah. Why don’t you do that in closing, you can just read it.

Angela W:
I’ll read. I have two columns and I have old way of doing things on the left and new way of doing things on the right, the old way of doing things, identifying ourselves with one political party or pic or politician like we’re picking teams, hating others, buying into fearful rhetoric, cancel culture, the bullied, becoming bullies, believing everything we see, hear or read regardless of the source of spreading fear, lack and hate targeting others that don’t look, act or believe like we do, letting our fear decide that we should give up our freedom or that it gives us the right to take other’s freedoms away from them. That’s the old way. And the new way, the new way of doing things, remembering that we’re all on the same team and focusing on where we do have power and choice learning from the destructive behaviors of others, using our own discernment and intuition to navigate. What’s been presented, allowing ourselves, allowing others to be human, believing their intentions, forgiveness, but not blind acceptance. Focusing on the energy of words and actions, is it generative or destructive, spreading love, peace, generosity, and freedom. Remembering that we are all wearing the flesh suits we were born into and learning to love and accept ourselves and others.

Angela A:
And in your caption for this post, I just thought it was so beautiful. And it really summed up kind of how I feel and what we’ve been talking about and it’s that we can each play a part to bring this country together. To remember that we are brothers and sisters, and not only the stewards of this land, but of each other’s right to life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I just thought that was a really great summary. And I appreciate you. Thanks.

Angela W:
Thank you. I appreciate you reaching out so we can have this conversation.

Angela A:
Will you tell people how they can contact you on social media or,

Angela W:
Oh yes. So I am Epicinitiator on Instagram, the Epic Initiator coaching. Um, my website is www.epicinitiator.com.

Angela A:
You’re super smart. I mean, that really comes across and the way you communicate and you have a lot of knowledge that would help people. Yeah.

Angela W:
Yeah. The other thing I did want to say is I do have a group coaching course coming up called deeper dating, and it’s really about the self love and intimacy, and also learning to attract love and build love, not from our wounds, but from our inspiration. So I just feel like it’s also sort of timely that we do the work on ourselves so that we can just offer more love and compassion and generosity outside of ourselves to others.

Angela A:
Yeah. I do think that’s really timely and people can find more information about that.

Angela W:
On my website, both and on my Instagram, I have a link so they can head to that and they’ll see, they’ll see a link to a page that has my courses and there’s a whole write-up on the modules and everything we’ll be covering. So, um, that starting February 17th, right after Valentine’s day, so that we can get into the work of like that juicy, deeper self-love. I also want to appreciate send my appreciation to you and the work that you’re doing. It’s so, so important. And so good to just talk about these things and hear about people’s individual perspective and then to just honor that as well. So thank you for the work that you

Angela A:
Yeah, you’re welcome. Well, let’s talk soon. All right. Bye. Bye.

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